#23: Detective Files - "THE CORPSE AND THE ACE"

[00:00:00] I'm just talking to Joe that night.

[00:00:05] You're getting accused of a lot of things right now.

[00:00:07] Oh, here's an interesting one. You threw a cigarette into a church lady's flower bed?

[00:00:12] I didn't do that either.

[00:00:14] Joe's handcuffed to my radiator for now.

[00:00:16] We're working on an extensive document that will become her defense and prosecution against her crime family.

[00:00:22] And in the meantime, she's staying at my house for her own protection.

[00:00:26] How about this?

[00:00:27] Who's this? This Julia?

[00:00:30] Oh, now you see this? This is a bitch I do not know.

[00:00:33] Some nights I chain her near the couch, but for the most part she's chosen to sleep on a large doggy bed in the bathroom.

[00:00:39] Her choice, not mine.

[00:00:41] But yeah, a futon isn't affordable to us right now.

[00:00:44] And we both know she'll kill me in my sleep if she gets the far side of my bed, so...

[00:00:49] This one came in the mail.

[00:00:51] They said you set their house on fire.

[00:00:54] Is that a picture? Can I see that?

[00:00:56] Oh, that is not a house I set on fire.

[00:00:59] I wanted to know why so many people were accusing Joe of things she didn't do.

[00:01:03] So I asked her, and she said...

[00:01:05] I'm pretty sure of myself that these are La Cosa Nostra members pretending to be other people.

[00:01:09] Like, this one has to be written by Steven.

[00:01:12] Steven, yeah, you met him, right?

[00:01:14] Like, skinny, skinny guy.

[00:01:16] Come on, in the hospital.

[00:01:17] Wait, the guy who's a doctor?

[00:01:21] Huh? He's not a doctor.

[00:01:24] I'm here to warn you about Josephine's...

[00:01:26] McGarry.

[00:01:28] Josephine McGarry.

[00:01:29] What's going on?

[00:01:30] What's going on is I have a photograph for you, Detective Denver.

[00:01:33] It might tell you something about who killed your boy.

[00:01:36] He was hiding in an x-ray machine.

[00:01:39] He's in the family.

[00:01:40] He was hiding in an x-ray machine.

[00:01:43] He's in the mafia?

[00:01:45] Yeah.

[00:01:46] That's Steven.

[00:01:48] I mean, he was strange, but...

[00:01:50] You...

[00:01:51] You actually thought he was a gynecologist?

[00:01:53] He said vag...

[00:01:55] Vaginas are normal and a non-weird body part, and...

[00:02:00] And I was gonna sew that on a pillow and...

[00:02:03] You know, maybe people could see it in my living room?

[00:02:08] Are you dumb?

[00:02:10] Just a feminist.

[00:02:11] Then say gynecologist.

[00:02:13] Uh...

[00:02:14] No.

[00:02:14] Hmm.

[00:02:15] You met somebody else, too, right?

[00:02:17] He also accused me of something.

[00:02:20] I've been trying to find you, because I know a thing about what you're investigating.

[00:02:24] There's a rumor.

[00:02:25] Joe had the means to set that fire from a distance.

[00:02:29] I know him, too.

[00:02:30] He's in the mob.

[00:02:31] Not a doctor!

[00:02:33] He...

[00:02:33] He might actually be trans, though.

[00:02:35] That's progressive.

[00:02:37] Good for the mafia, I guess.

[00:02:39] They clearly thought I was, you know, close to revealing the truth.

[00:02:42] I had a friend in Boo.

[00:02:44] That's someone I could tell secrets to.

[00:02:46] They knew I could expose the whole family and then...

[00:02:49] They pinned Alaska's death on me.

[00:02:51] If I'm a criminal, they're innocent, I guess.

[00:02:53] Right.

[00:02:55] Right.

[00:02:56] Alright.

[00:02:56] Well, come on then.

[00:02:57] What's bothering you?

[00:02:58] I don't know.

[00:02:59] Alright?

[00:02:59] I don't know.

[00:03:00] I guess people get accused for all kinds of arbitrary reasons.

[00:03:05] Is that it?

[00:03:06] You're not thinking about weird emails at all?

[00:03:08] It's just Alaska again!

[00:03:09] That's getting...

[00:03:10] invasive.

[00:03:11] I'm literally a captive audience.

[00:03:13] Tell me what's going on or I'll rip your throat out.

[00:03:15] For the sake of not getting my throat ripped out, I'm just...

[00:03:19] Thinking about biases.

[00:03:21] Do you know what I mean when I say biases?

[00:03:24] Plural of bias.

[00:03:26] A plus for Joe.

[00:03:29] It's...

[00:03:30] Easy to not see the killer when you're so close to the people involved, that's all.

[00:03:34] I know all about biases.

[00:03:36] I have many of them.

[00:03:38] Mostly against people who aren't me.

[00:03:40] I wish you'd all die.

[00:03:41] Right.

[00:03:42] Bias can kill people.

[00:03:45] Does all the time.

[00:03:48] Bias...

[00:03:48] Yeah.

[00:03:49] I got a tip for ya.

[00:03:51] Joe melts into the giddy grin that makes me feel biased to believe her.

[00:03:55] Have you ever played Mafia?

[00:03:57] No.

[00:03:58] Mafia isn't just white-cola business.

[00:04:00] Mafia's the name of a party game.

[00:04:02] She explains.

[00:04:04] So, we crack out a deck of cards, we shuffle them and you get really proud of yourself because

[00:04:08] you did that drunk.

[00:04:09] So, you give one card per one person.

[00:04:12] Right?

[00:04:12] And when everyone has their cards, someone draws ace.

[00:04:15] And whoever draws your ace, plays the Mafia.

[00:04:18] Okay.

[00:04:19] That's when the game starts.

[00:04:20] Whoever finds the Mafia, wins.

[00:04:23] Right?

[00:04:23] So, the Mafia is secretly holding the ace.

[00:04:26] But, looking at cards is not allowed.

[00:04:28] So, what do you do?

[00:04:29] You're looking for tells.

[00:04:30] Right?

[00:04:30] Voice, body language.

[00:04:32] Right?

[00:04:32] You know, faces.

[00:04:33] This game is a competition of poker faces.

[00:04:36] For me, it's a game I always win.

[00:04:39] But, you know who gets accused the most in the game Mafia?

[00:04:43] Who?

[00:04:44] The person who accuses.

[00:04:47] Wait.

[00:04:49] Let's say I said Bobby's the Mafia or Logan's the Mafia.

[00:04:52] That makes you get suspicious of me.

[00:04:55] So, you say, why's Joe pointing fingers like a bitch?

[00:04:57] You know, so you call me out.

[00:04:58] You call me the Mafia.

[00:04:59] It happens every time.

[00:05:01] That makes sense.

[00:05:01] Well, always.

[00:05:02] Always.

[00:05:03] Yeah, alleging a crime gets you stuck in a he said, she said, you know,

[00:05:06] and sort of talks about misdemeanors and felonies because somebody has to be lying.

[00:05:11] I see.

[00:05:12] Well, you'd know best.

[00:05:16] Right.

[00:05:17] So...

[00:05:18] I'm about ready to curl up to sleep with my cat.

[00:05:20] I interviewed Joe for an hour longer though.

[00:05:23] What happened to the UFA?

[00:05:24] I'm flipping you off with my toe.

[00:05:28] Please, stop.

[00:05:30] And after I've gone through all my questions, we say goodnight.

[00:05:33] I shuffle off in the safety of my familiar home.

[00:05:37] I don't see the train or the tracks.

[00:05:39] My mother was a Buddhist and he...

[00:05:50] His soul was supposed to like...

[00:05:55] Be released when he was cremated or whatever gobbledy-cooked thing.

[00:06:01] Shit!

[00:06:02] Oh my God.

[00:06:03] Sorry, I don't say that word.

[00:06:05] Jesus Christ.

[00:06:06] I'll do what I can.

[00:06:08] I'll...

[00:06:08] I find out that a body's been discovered.

[00:06:12] The body of Alaska, who's been dead for years.

[00:06:16] Who was supposed to be...

[00:06:17] Cremated.

[00:06:18] Cremated.

[00:06:19] I was at work and I got the call.

[00:06:22] They said it was my son.

[00:06:24] It was Boo saying he needs a lawyer.

[00:06:28] And then they ended the call.

[00:06:30] Then an officer called to say,

[00:06:33] Could you come down to the station?

[00:06:34] And I said,

[00:06:36] You have to tell me why.

[00:06:38] He was...

[00:06:40] He was being displayed in a clothing store.

[00:06:45] And nobody realized it was him.

[00:06:48] I don't believe her.

[00:06:50] And I can't believe her.

[00:06:51] And I feel like she was lied to, but I'm driving over the speed limit.

[00:06:54] They told me not to call you.

[00:06:56] But I'm doing it anyway.

[00:06:59] But I'm almost there.

[00:07:01] And I wanted to call you because you haven't done anything for two years.

[00:07:04] And I think you should fix this.

[00:07:07] Oh.

[00:07:09] You should fix this.

[00:07:14] This can't happen.

[00:07:16] So, I have my mission.

[00:07:18] Fix this.

[00:07:20] It's too bad I'm out of my depth.

[00:07:22] This isn't a cold case anymore.

[00:07:28] Boo for me.

[00:07:38] Four years ago, Alaska Curtis was murdered in the woods of Stumptown.

[00:07:42] 20 minutes north of Roslyn Estates.

[00:07:46] This is Long Island.

[00:07:48] The land of manicured lawns and alcoholic iced tea.

[00:07:53] To find Alaska's killer, I'm investigating the grown-up children of some of the wealthiest families in the United States.

[00:08:00] Our six suspects are Joe Magaro, Emma Wooten, Logan Goldberg, Bobby York, Boo Curtis, late Glory Johnson.

[00:08:12] And then you have me.

[00:08:14] My name is Detective Finn Denver.

[00:08:16] I'm a private investigator looking for the killer.

[00:08:20] With Alaska.

[00:08:39] Detective Files.

[00:08:40] An original series by The Ghost Factory.

[00:08:44] This is episode 23.

[00:08:46] The Corpse and the Ace.

[00:08:48] Listeners be warned that this series may be inappropriate for younger audiences.

[00:08:52] And content throughout may be alarming or upsetting.

[00:08:56] Welcome to the Detective Files.

[00:08:59] Welcome to the truth.

[00:09:12] So Boo's mother wants me to pick him up.

[00:09:15] And how much worse is Boo taking this than me?

[00:09:19] Later on, I'd make contact with someone.

[00:09:22] Not Boo, but an old friend.

[00:09:23] A member of local law enforcement.

[00:09:25] For their privacy and safety, we call them Officer Shay.

[00:09:29] Shay's voice will be disguised to protect their anonymity.

[00:09:32] I have photos.

[00:09:34] There's the disguised voice.

[00:09:36] Shay's my inside source for this case.

[00:09:38] They've been leaking details to me about this case for years now.

[00:09:42] Are you gonna be ready to see this?

[00:09:44] Now they've brought photos for me.

[00:09:46] Of Alaska's dead body.

[00:09:48] I go along with it.

[00:09:49] I guess.

[00:09:51] Shay shows me the pictures.

[00:09:53] And we talk.

[00:09:54] And I'm here just looking at a disfigured dead person in a collage all over the coffee table.

[00:10:02] Alaska was posed as a mannequin in a clothing store called La Fleur in Roslyn Village.

[00:10:08] That store is owned and run by Mike Goldberg and Caitlin Goldberg, the parents of Jeremy Goldberg.

[00:10:14] There are very few employees.

[00:10:16] I'm gonna...

[00:10:18] I'm gonna take a break.

[00:10:20] I don't think a body has ever been preserved this way.

[00:10:22] Ever.

[00:10:23] Stop, stop, stop.

[00:10:24] Anywhere.

[00:10:25] Okay.

[00:10:25] I think I need to take a break.

[00:10:27] I need to...

[00:10:28] I need to get home.

[00:10:31] Home?

[00:10:32] Home.

[00:10:32] Home.

[00:10:34] You're going home?

[00:10:35] I need to, alright?

[00:10:39] Do you have a plan after that?

[00:10:40] After you get home?

[00:10:41] I just need a day off.

[00:10:43] And like, I'll put on a movie and then I can physically shake this out of my system.

[00:10:48] The police are gonna beat you out and get to evidence first.

[00:10:51] Yeah, well, that's fine with me.

[00:10:53] So you're quitting?

[00:10:56] I was supplementing for people who weren't doing their job.

[00:10:59] And now they're doing their job, so that's great.

[00:11:01] That's fine with me.

[00:11:03] Let's just...

[00:11:04] Let's get through the description of the body first.

[00:11:07] Okay?

[00:11:08] Let's not rush to act out of passion.

[00:11:11] Let's get through this.

[00:11:12] If it's not important to you...

[00:11:15] Hey, hey.

[00:11:17] Okay?

[00:11:19] Alright.

[00:11:20] They used perfume for the smell.

[00:11:22] What?

[00:11:23] What?

[00:11:24] It smelled?

[00:11:25] Of formaldehyde, which is an embalming fluid.

[00:11:28] I stumbled to the bathroom.

[00:11:33] It spills out of me.

[00:11:37] I'm sorry it affected you.

[00:11:43] As a corpse.

[00:11:44] Yeah.

[00:11:45] So...

[00:11:46] Jeremy did it, I guess.

[00:11:52] That's...

[00:11:52] God, I barely suspected him.

[00:11:56] Maybe it's Jeremy.

[00:11:57] Or maybe he's just your prime suspect.

[00:12:00] That's...

[00:12:00] That...

[00:12:01] Come on.

[00:12:03] This is not my job.

[00:12:04] I'm not trained for this.

[00:12:05] So, nobody...

[00:12:07] Hmm.

[00:12:08] Nobody in Nassau County is well trained for this.

[00:12:12] You might feel like you're not the person for this, but as much as you're human, they are also human.

[00:12:18] So you've got scenario one, which is that the Goldbergs murdered Alaska, and the officers correctly put together a case against the Goldbergs.

[00:12:26] Or you've got scenario two, which is that the probe is still out there, and the officers stupidly put Alaska's homicide on the Goldbergs anyway, because they probably already have that felony count on their heads for keeping the body.

[00:12:38] I mean, come on, these people are not careful.

[00:12:41] Maybe they can do it, but I know you.

[00:12:44] You are a careful dude.

[00:12:46] I'd feel comfortable placing a bet on the dude who's careful.

[00:12:50] That's what Shay says.

[00:12:52] But I'm not a homicide detective.

[00:12:55] I'm just some guy.

[00:12:57] I drive up to the clothing store, but it's eerily quiet.

[00:13:01] The store looks empty inside.

[00:13:02] It's blocked off with yellow tape.

[00:13:05] That's expected.

[00:13:07] I'm already a day late.

[00:13:10] So, instead,

[00:13:12] with nothing else to do,

[00:13:14] I go to wait outside the precinct,

[00:13:16] to see if Boo is released.

[00:13:19] His mother said he might be.

[00:13:22] I try to get some work done on my laptop,

[00:13:25] but it just doesn't feel possible to focus on work right now.

[00:13:31] Then I catch everybody on the street looking in the same direction.

[00:13:35] To see so many people looking in the same direction.

[00:13:41] The passers-by and all the gossipers loitering outside the precinct.

[00:13:48] I'm expecting to turn my head to see the sun falling out of the sky,

[00:13:51] but then I turn and I see...

[00:13:54] Boo.

[00:13:56] Boo.

[00:13:57] It's just Boo.

[00:13:59] Stepping out the precinct's front door with his goggles jiggling around his neck.

[00:14:04] That's Boo with his face in the daylight.

[00:14:06] It's not unfamiliar.

[00:14:08] It's not my first time seeing it,

[00:14:11] but he does look like a stranger,

[00:14:13] and he does look like he's strange.

[00:14:16] And he does make me want to run,

[00:14:18] because the look of him just isn't right.

[00:14:21] He's walking with two people.

[00:14:23] Probably police.

[00:14:25] Although it's hard for my eyes to focus.

[00:14:27] Yes, that's Boo with his face out.

[00:14:32] I'm stuck.

[00:14:37] Detective Denver?

[00:14:39] Is there a reason you're here?

[00:14:40] Why do you wear what you wear now, Boo?

[00:14:43] Why did you change?

[00:14:44] I don't mean the goggles around your neck.

[00:14:46] I mean the crop tops and the jackets from Korea,

[00:14:48] and the sneakers from Germany.

[00:14:51] Where the hell did you get that?

[00:14:52] Where's your car parked?

[00:14:54] I could drive you back.

[00:14:56] His face says he's eating sour grapes.

[00:14:59] We want you back in 30 minutes.

[00:15:02] That's the officer talking,

[00:15:03] telling Boo that he's wanted back soon for questioning.

[00:15:06] Right.

[00:15:07] And that's Boo, looking...

[00:15:10] somewhat naked,

[00:15:12] especially in the face.

[00:15:14] He just saw Alaska's body.

[00:15:18] As always, I ask him for an interview.

[00:15:20] So, do you want to come back to my office?

[00:15:24] Can I ask you some questions?

[00:15:27] Sure.

[00:15:33] Yeah.

[00:15:35] Okay.

[00:15:38] Are you gonna cover your face or...?

[00:15:40] Oh, you hate it?

[00:15:43] It's okay.

[00:15:44] Just go straight to beating the shit out of me

[00:15:45] until you're sure you're not gay.

[00:15:47] I would not do that!

[00:15:50] And don't you dare talk to me like that!

[00:15:52] Boo's been turning down interviews for years.

[00:15:54] But for some reason, he agrees to come to my office for questioning.

[00:15:59] I have 30 minutes. Sorry.

[00:16:00] And this is how he spends his only break between police interrogations.

[00:16:06] Your office is pretty.

[00:16:08] Seems well-funded.

[00:16:10] Thanks.

[00:16:11] I'd like to begin though.

[00:16:12] Have you picked your prime suspect?

[00:16:14] Maybe we should...

[00:16:15] Can we focus on the dead body you found yesterday?

[00:16:18] Yesterday.

[00:16:19] Efficient.

[00:16:20] You like it fast?

[00:16:22] What?

[00:16:23] Logan's house overnight.

[00:16:24] His house is right on top of the floor in Roslyn Village.

[00:16:27] The mannequin was in that store.

[00:16:29] The customer noticed mold on the mannequin because it was...

[00:16:33] Alaska's dead body.

[00:16:35] Then Logan and his parents were arrested for keeping said dead body.

[00:16:40] Who knows how long I'm gonna live in this constant loop of police interviews

[00:16:43] and talking to you when this is finished.

[00:16:48] I'll be finding out how Logan did it.

[00:16:51] You're spilling your coffee.

[00:16:53] Oops.

[00:16:54] It's just all over your desk.

[00:16:58] Shit.

[00:17:00] Uh...

[00:17:00] You were...

[00:17:02] Where?

[00:17:03] When...

[00:17:03] Someone saw mold?

[00:17:06] Logan's house.

[00:17:07] Uh...

[00:17:07] In the store.

[00:17:09] I know.

[00:17:10] I was there.

[00:17:11] And I'm a suspect.

[00:17:13] And I'm his brother.

[00:17:14] That's why they're questioning me.

[00:17:16] And questioning me.

[00:17:18] And questioning me.

[00:17:19] And questioning me.

[00:17:21] And questioning me.

[00:17:22] There's no way to view this event except that Jeremy did it.

[00:17:26] What if they get hung up on Jeremy's parents?

[00:17:28] The police don't know what I know.

[00:17:30] They won't recognize that Stumptown was locked that night.

[00:17:34] I unlocked the gate.

[00:17:35] We got everybody inside.

[00:17:36] I locked the gate behind us.

[00:17:38] No. This...

[00:17:38] This has to be Jeremy, not his parents.

[00:17:42] Jeremy.

[00:17:43] Killed.

[00:17:45] Alaska.

[00:17:46] Alaska was my friend!

[00:17:48] Why would Jeremy do that?

[00:17:50] To somebody that he cares about?

[00:17:52] What about Alaska?

[00:17:54] My best friend was killed forever.

[00:17:57] It was Jeremy.

[00:17:59] Alaska was his hero.

[00:18:01] After all this time, it...

[00:18:03] Is that the answer?

[00:18:05] Why?

[00:18:06] And questioning me.

[00:18:08] Boo! This isn't an interrogation.

[00:18:11] Go home.

[00:18:12] Go home?

[00:18:13] I misspoke.

[00:18:14] I'm a little on edge because...

[00:18:17] I'm holding you captive.

[00:18:19] Are you holding me captive?

[00:18:21] You just saw a dead body.

[00:18:23] Just...

[00:18:24] Leave!

[00:18:25] You need to figure out what I know.

[00:18:27] You clearly don't understand a thing about me.

[00:18:30] So take this as an opportunity.

[00:18:33] Do your detective job and question me.

[00:18:35] It's just...

[00:18:36] Don't throw up again in my head.

[00:18:39] Over and over.

[00:18:40] Question me.

[00:18:42] How...

[00:18:43] How do I know it's not you?

[00:18:46] You were there both times.

[00:18:49] In other terms?

[00:18:50] In other terms...

[00:18:52] You don't know anything.

[00:18:55] Heh heh heh heh heh.

[00:18:56] That's not even a helpful question, buddy.

[00:18:59] What kind of answer were you planning to get from...

[00:19:01] How do I know it's not you?

[00:19:04] Yeah, you know what?

[00:19:05] I pinky promised that I did not kill my brother.

[00:19:07] Have you heard of the estate's doll face?

[00:19:09] I've heard of your mom.

[00:19:10] When I banged her.

[00:19:11] With my penis.

[00:19:14] Fuck.

[00:19:15] Sorry.

[00:19:15] The estate's doll face kills people.

[00:19:18] That's a serial killer just nearby.

[00:19:20] And he's called...

[00:19:23] The doll face because one of his victims called him...

[00:19:26] Beautiful.

[00:19:27] It's not me.

[00:19:29] I know that.

[00:19:31] Masculine beauty is not something I have a monopoly on.

[00:19:36] I take it back.

[00:19:37] I just...

[00:19:38] I just wanted to hear you say it.

[00:19:40] To get my heart rate to...

[00:19:41] Slow down.

[00:19:44] I didn't take it personally.

[00:19:47] You're just wrong.

[00:19:50] Be so careful when you have your face out.

[00:19:54] Soon, Newsday journalists would release much of the information that helps us understand how Alaska's body was kept.

[00:20:02] As a warning, the details I'm about to describe are horribly, horribly gruesome.

[00:20:08] I've decided to include this information.

[00:20:10] But by the end of this, I want us all to remember Alaska as a person.

[00:20:15] Not as a body.

[00:20:17] Alaska Curtis's corpse was found to be displayed in a clothing store, posing as a mannequin.

[00:20:23] You might expect taxidermy, but...

[00:20:26] Taxidermy involves stuffing an animal's pelt, something humans don't have.

[00:20:31] Beyond being illegal...

[00:20:34] Human taxidermy is close to impossible.

[00:20:38] And human bodies can't just be preserved, either.

[00:20:42] The clothing store was kept at a petrifying 49 degrees Fahrenheit.

[00:20:46] But that alone wasn't enough.

[00:20:48] To prevent decay, Alaska's body was half-replaced.

[00:20:51] His cheeks and most of his face had been swapped by a mixture of wax, glycerin, paraffin, and carotene,

[00:20:59] which would explain the body's inhuman mannequin-like appearance.

[00:21:03] However, x-rays reveal that the bones underneath are undeniably Alaska's.

[00:21:09] Nearly all of Alaska's bones were found intact within the corpse, except his forearms,

[00:21:15] which were wholly replaced by plastic mannequin arms.

[00:21:19] Perhaps to give him the look of a mannequin.

[00:21:22] It's believed that Alaska's mouth was glued shut early on, leaving Alaska's real tongue.

[00:21:30] And some of his gums to rot inside.

[00:21:33] Fungal growth just barely managed to seep through the invisible gaps in Alaska's wax-covered face,

[00:21:39] until a particularly observant passerby just happened to take notice.

[00:21:44] Alaska's body was never displayed for a funeral, and should have been cremated.

[00:21:51] At his funeral, his ashes were placed in a columbarium by his own parents at a cemetery near Roslin Estates.

[00:21:59] I'm sure those ashes are being DNA tested right now.

[00:22:03] They certainly were in Alaska, so...

[00:22:06] Evidently, someone's beloved family member was divvied up to cover for a corpse's disappearance.

[00:22:14] The sono delle sue.

[00:22:14] Accusing me won't help you, by the way.

[00:22:17] I said I take it back.

[00:22:20] Denver, I need your...

[00:22:24] help.

[00:22:25] You going to the morgue?

[00:22:27] Maybe.

[00:22:28] I feel like you're one of those overly nice people who tries to make every competition fair.

[00:22:35] It almost suits you.

[00:22:36] I need to take advantage of your kindness, because I'm constantly in between police interviews and burping my dog.

[00:22:43] Who now has anxiety, so I, like, burp them.

[00:22:46] If I find information, I'm not going to want to share it.

[00:22:49] That's up to you.

[00:22:51] Maybe I'll pout, and then you'll accidentally say everything I want to know.

[00:22:55] Is that a power you have?

[00:22:58] Maybe.

[00:23:00] Maybe over you.

[00:23:01] Not happening.

[00:23:02] You don't want to get between a man and his anxious dog?

[00:23:05] I need you to find out how Logan took the body.

[00:23:08] At the morgue?

[00:23:09] Yeah, man.

[00:23:10] That's a great idea, but they don't let me in.

[00:23:13] Hello?

[00:23:15] Excuse me?

[00:23:16] And the harder Joe knocks, the more I want to leave.

[00:23:23] This one's called a roundhouse!

[00:23:26] Ha!

[00:23:28] Gotcha!

[00:23:30] Gonna getcha!

[00:23:31] Joe's here to be my lie detector.

[00:23:33] She sees people's feelings, and that could be massively helpful in an interview.

[00:23:38] Earlier we talked.

[00:23:39] So they lie, they're lying.

[00:23:41] What if I then cross my arms?

[00:23:44] What if we make a sign?

[00:23:47] What if I signal an A, meaning ace, that I'm referencing mafia?

[00:23:52] Well, look how subtle that is.

[00:23:54] We talked about her being my lie detector, but her sharper nails make me think she's here to be my attack dog.

[00:24:00] They're gonna call the police.

[00:24:02] Then I'll fight the police!

[00:24:08] I've come here to a mortuary because Alaska's remaining flesh showed signs of embalming.

[00:24:14] Embalming is a practice of treating a human body with chemicals to slow down decomposition.

[00:24:20] Jeremy and his family shouldn't have had the means or the knowledge to embalm Alaska's body.

[00:24:25] But for parts of the body to last years like this, Alaska's body must have been embalmed the week of his death.

[00:24:32] His body was taken to Roslin Estate's funeral home.

[00:24:35] The building Joe is now attacking.

[00:24:39] Unfortunately, they only let people in for funerals and appointments.

[00:24:43] They don't let me in.

[00:24:44] And they don't let in the person kicking at loose bricks in the facade.

[00:24:49] But I call the number on the door and I get a mortician.

[00:24:52] If you come back with a warrant, I can let you in.

[00:24:55] Not possible.

[00:24:55] I'd like to interview you if you're comfortable with that.

[00:24:59] What do you know about Logan Goldberg?

[00:25:01] His real name is Jeremy, but it's not really about him, so ignore that.

[00:25:08] Please.

[00:25:09] Jeremy?

[00:25:09] Jeremy who?

[00:25:11] Uh, Jeremy Goldberg?

[00:25:13] I'm sorry, can you say again what you're here for?

[00:25:16] And it takes some talking.

[00:25:19] But she lets us in.

[00:25:21] Are you handcuffed?

[00:25:22] No.

[00:25:23] Letting us in was a very bad idea on her part because...

[00:25:27] Have you ever had a body disappear?

[00:25:30] No, no, this is a funeral home.

[00:25:32] Where would a body go?

[00:25:33] Joe's face freezes.

[00:25:35] Her thumb slides beneath her two fingers.

[00:25:36] She signals.

[00:25:38] Ace.

[00:25:39] The mortician is lying.

[00:25:42] Do you know Jeremy Goldberg?

[00:25:45] No, I don't know who that is.

[00:25:48] Joe's thumb flinches in and out of place.

[00:25:50] She starts to signal.

[00:25:52] Ace.

[00:25:52] But then she shifts out of it.

[00:25:54] Half of a lie.

[00:25:56] What are we doing here?

[00:25:57] Do you know Mike Goldberg?

[00:26:00] Jeremy's father.

[00:26:01] No.

[00:26:03] Joe signs Ace.

[00:26:04] Ace.

[00:26:05] It's a lie.

[00:26:08] Caitlin Goldberg.

[00:26:10] Jeremy's mother.

[00:26:12] No.

[00:26:13] Joe signs Ace again.

[00:26:15] And it hits me.

[00:26:17] We're talking to someone who understands everything.

[00:26:19] And she doesn't even know that we know.

[00:26:22] How long have you worked here?

[00:26:24] About a decade.

[00:26:25] What's your position?

[00:26:26] I'm a funeral director.

[00:26:28] Who embalmed Alaska Curtis?

[00:26:31] I don't know who that is.

[00:26:33] Ace.

[00:26:34] But I don't embalm bodies.

[00:26:36] Ace.

[00:26:36] So if he came here, one of my employees would have taken good care of him.

[00:26:40] Okay?

[00:26:41] So you didn't handle his body?

[00:26:43] No.

[00:26:43] Ace.

[00:26:44] You didn't embalm Alaska Curtis's body?

[00:26:47] Like I said, I don't even know who that is.

[00:26:49] Ace.

[00:26:50] Has anyone ever been embalmed by accident?

[00:26:53] Like a...

[00:26:53] What do you mean?

[00:26:54] Like a living person?

[00:26:55] Could someone be embalmed when they're supposed to be cremated?

[00:26:58] No.

[00:26:59] We would not be in business.

[00:27:02] True.

[00:27:02] So anyone who's ever been embalmed here was embalmed on purpose?

[00:27:08] I can guarantee that.

[00:27:09] Joe's thumb is limp.

[00:27:11] It's true.

[00:27:12] Thank you.

[00:27:13] So everything seems fine around here.

[00:27:16] How about we just head out?

[00:27:20] I run out of questions.

[00:27:21] We leave.

[00:27:23] When the door closes behind us,

[00:27:25] Joe looks at me.

[00:27:26] And I look at Joe.

[00:27:29] We walk three blocks and stop.

[00:27:32] What?

[00:27:35] Not great.

[00:27:37] What the fuck?

[00:27:39] Can you take this case still?

[00:27:43] I can.

[00:27:44] I can.

[00:27:47] The police don't have you.

[00:27:48] They don't have the outsiders on their side.

[00:27:51] They can't do this case.

[00:27:54] But I can.

[00:27:56] And I still believe that.

[00:27:58] At the start of most days.

[00:28:03] And some nights.

[00:28:05] Especially when I have...

[00:28:07] When I can take a bit of fear off my future self's shoulders.

[00:28:14] I remind myself that today could be difficult.

[00:28:18] Today could definitely be trying.

[00:28:22] And I'm prepared to be scared and overwhelmed.

[00:28:26] Everything is always worth a try.

[00:28:32] And a try is worth your confidence.

[00:28:36] Some days those words are a comfort.

[00:28:40] Today they're rough on me.

[00:28:44] Bravery is just accepting that you're afraid.

[00:28:47] Or you're depressed or...

[00:28:49] I don't know.

[00:28:50] Hopeless inside.

[00:28:51] When I feel I'm not ready.

[00:28:53] I know I can bring along my fear.

[00:28:55] And just say fuck it.

[00:28:57] I'll do it anyway.

[00:29:06] The following ad was recorded before the recent discovery of Alaska Curtis's body.

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[00:29:26] You did the big crime.

[00:29:27] Huh?

[00:29:28] So Milton.

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[00:30:06] I'm going to kiss your forehead now.

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[00:31:13] Say goodbye Milton.

[00:31:15] I'm gonna jump to a few conclusions.

[00:31:31] If I get it wrong, well, we can always backtrack.

[00:31:34] First, the mortician knew of a body's disappearance.

[00:31:38] And she handled Alaska's body.

[00:31:40] So let's just say she knew that Alaska's body disappeared.

[00:31:44] If she knew, did the funeral home find out a body disappeared?

[00:31:48] And they covered it up to avoid a legal confrontation?

[00:31:51] Or did they make Alaska's body disappear?

[00:31:54] Maybe for a bribe?

[00:31:56] The mortician knew Mike and Caitlin Goldberg, Jeremy's parents.

[00:32:03] Joe also confirmed that bodies at this location have only been embalmed on purpose.

[00:32:08] And Alaska's body was found embalmed in the clothing store.

[00:32:11] La Fleur.

[00:32:13] This could mean that the funeral home intentionally embalmed Alaska, handed the body over, and then

[00:32:19] performed a cover-up.

[00:32:23] There's the question of Jeremy.

[00:32:25] When I asked the mortician if she knew Jeremy, Joe gave me mixed signals.

[00:32:31] So, I asked Joe again.

[00:32:34] Did she know Jeremy or not?

[00:32:37] There were a lot of feelings.

[00:32:39] Let me think.

[00:32:41] So first she said she didn't know Jeremy.

[00:32:44] And that was a half-truth.

[00:32:47] True, but also not the kind of truth you're looking for.

[00:32:50] She probably knows him somehow.

[00:32:53] It sounds complicated.

[00:32:55] So, I'll try not to jump to conclusions.

[00:32:58] She felt nostalgic about it?

[00:33:01] Or like, kind of sad?

[00:33:04] Like she lost...

[00:33:05] Like Alaska's body?

[00:33:07] No.

[00:33:09] Maybe?

[00:33:10] I don't know.

[00:33:10] No.

[00:33:11] No.

[00:33:12] No.

[00:33:13] But maybe Jeremy killed Alaska and his parents got the body for him.

[00:33:20] It doesn't sound right.

[00:33:22] So I met with Boo.

[00:33:23] Jeremy couldn't have killed Alaska.

[00:33:26] Why are you telling me?

[00:33:28] Jeremy said that he didn't kill Alaska.

[00:33:31] Joe said he passed her lie detection.

[00:33:34] Is she reliable that consistently?

[00:33:38] Do you know?

[00:33:40] Can I borrow your goggles?

[00:33:43] Let's give it the scientific method.

[00:33:46] We step 15 paces apart.

[00:33:48] Joe can't hear me.

[00:33:49] She's listening to music.

[00:33:51] I cover my face so that she can't pick up on my expressions or see what I'm saying.

[00:33:57] Then I whisper a bunch of truths and lies.

[00:34:03] True.

[00:34:09] Joe got 95% right.

[00:34:12] Here.

[00:34:12] There's just one she got wrong.

[00:34:14] I said I write with my right hand.

[00:34:17] Joe called that true, but it should have been false.

[00:34:20] I'm actually left-handed.

[00:34:22] No.

[00:34:23] See, I know what happened.

[00:34:24] Do you ever write with your right hand?

[00:34:26] Actually, I do my signature with my right hand, but that's not...

[00:34:32] Huh.

[00:34:33] Really?

[00:34:34] But I consider that a lie, though.

[00:34:36] I'm...

[00:34:37] I'm left-handed.

[00:34:38] We try a few more trick questions.

[00:34:40] I say them aloud in case whispering changes the results.

[00:34:44] And I add a bunch of control questions to make sure volume doesn't change anything.

[00:34:49] I'm perfect.

[00:34:50] False.

[00:34:51] Movies are loud.

[00:34:53] True.

[00:34:53] Movies are quiet.

[00:34:55] True.

[00:34:55] Joe gets 100% of the control questions correct.

[00:34:59] We do a lot of trick questions.

[00:35:01] She gets 92%.

[00:35:03] But the trick questions are hard to call true or false anyway.

[00:35:07] That's what makes them trick questions.

[00:35:09] I get it.

[00:35:10] Yeah?

[00:35:11] Yeah.

[00:35:12] You're consistent.

[00:35:13] She's not even measuring how I feel, actually.

[00:35:16] She's accurate.

[00:35:17] Because she's measuring whether my words actually contradict my knowledge of what is technically true.

[00:35:23] She's loophole sensitive.

[00:35:25] It's like she's drawing the legalese out of me.

[00:35:28] I actually see a lot of stuff at the same time.

[00:35:31] Truth and lies are on the nipple, but you could be feeling something like over here, you know?

[00:35:35] And then something over here.

[00:35:36] I also throw her this.

[00:35:38] There are communities of people on the internet who do different kinds of pretend.

[00:35:43] True.

[00:35:45] True.

[00:35:45] These are quotes from Jeremy that she previously read as true.

[00:35:49] There are role plays where you pretend to be stabbed or role plays when you're kidnapped and held for ransom.

[00:35:59] True.

[00:36:02] True.

[00:36:02] I didn't say I was going to pretend to be killed, you know, for fun.

[00:36:07] True.

[00:36:08] And they count as true when I say them too.

[00:36:12] When Jeremy says something like,

[00:36:14] There are communities of people on the internet who do different kinds of pretend.

[00:36:19] He's implying that he's a part of that community.

[00:36:22] But he never says he's in on it.

[00:36:25] It's always true that some people are weird on the internet.

[00:36:29] So Jeremy's alibi...

[00:36:33] It's still unconfirmed.

[00:36:35] So you tested it?

[00:36:37] Jeremy's alibi could have been a lie.

[00:36:40] That doesn't surprise me, Denver.

[00:36:42] Happened to your mind and...

[00:36:43] But you know what's unambiguous?

[00:36:45] I didn't kill Alaska.

[00:36:47] Which is what Jeremy said.

[00:36:49] There could be a trick to it.

[00:36:51] What trick?

[00:36:52] That's what I'm trying to figure out.

[00:36:54] I think Jeremy's I didn't kill Alaska is unambiguous.

[00:36:58] I don't.

[00:36:59] You know what else?

[00:37:00] I think the mortician's answers are unambiguous as well.

[00:37:04] The rules of Jo's lie-detecting hold that she knew Jeremy's parents.

[00:37:09] She hid that she knew the Goldbergs.

[00:37:11] They're suspected of unlawfully concealing a corpse.

[00:37:14] That could mean that she's complicit in the theft of Alaska's body.

[00:37:19] So I have a theory about how they got the body.

[00:37:22] But I need to figure out why.

[00:37:24] Fortunately, I have another ally out of the Outsiders.

[00:37:28] I'm panicking.

[00:37:29] I meet with Emma outside the precinct.

[00:37:31] She's going to spy on the Goldbergs for me.

[00:37:34] I want to know if they're talking or at least what the mood in the room is like.

[00:37:39] Emma can do this for me.

[00:37:40] She can become unnoticeable whenever she wants.

[00:37:45] Unnoticeability is infinitely useful compared to invisibility.

[00:37:49] Nobody will notice Emma opening doors or stealing keys or stepping into a holding cell.

[00:37:54] It's like I say to Emma.

[00:37:56] The best part of this is...

[00:37:57] There's no chance they try us in the court of law because...

[00:38:00] It can't try us for a crime that's scientifically impossible.

[00:38:03] I've learned this absurd podcast rarely ever ends with legal repercussions.

[00:38:08] So I tell her the spying plan.

[00:38:12] Will you wait for me?

[00:38:14] Out here?

[00:38:15] I'll be right here.

[00:38:16] And then...

[00:38:18] And then...

[00:38:19] So I'm not exactly sure what happens after that.

[00:38:22] Some time kind of passed.

[00:38:23] And then Emma's right in front of me.

[00:38:25] Guten Tag.

[00:38:26] Ah, shit!

[00:38:27] That is terrifying when you do that.

[00:38:30] Don't do that!

[00:38:31] That is the most scared I've been when someone has said Guten Tag.

[00:38:34] It was fine.

[00:38:34] Oh, sorry.

[00:38:36] No, sorry.

[00:38:38] Go ahead.

[00:38:39] It went fine.

[00:38:40] I put the keys back.

[00:38:42] Logan talked to me.

[00:38:44] We had a conversation.

[00:38:46] Emma went in with her camera.

[00:38:48] She has their conversation on video.

[00:38:50] Can I sit here?

[00:38:52] Okay.

[00:38:53] Before I show the video to you?

[00:38:56] Everything...

[00:38:56] Good?

[00:38:57] I need a minute to breathe now.

[00:39:00] After the talk I just had.

[00:39:01] We take a moment.

[00:39:03] Then Emma shows me the video.

[00:39:05] Which sounds like this.

[00:39:07] Did you get in here?

[00:39:11] You can see me?

[00:39:13] You can see me?

[00:39:14] What?

[00:39:16] What's going on, Jeremy?

[00:39:18] That third voice is Jeremy's mother.

[00:39:20] She's hard to see in the video, but...

[00:39:22] I think he's keenly aware of her.

[00:39:23] He's constantly looking over his shoulder.

[00:39:26] Nothing.

[00:39:26] I'm talking to myself.

[00:39:28] Logan, can you see me right now?

[00:39:30] You saw me.

[00:39:32] Man, did you guys hear about the game last night?

[00:39:35] Logan?

[00:39:35] That was wild.

[00:39:37] They...

[00:39:37] The ball?

[00:39:38] It was right where it needed to be.

[00:39:40] Do you guys think Santa's real?

[00:39:42] Logan, can you see me right now?

[00:39:43] I swear to God I saw him walk down the hall earlier.

[00:39:45] And it's weird that he's in a prison.

[00:39:47] Logan!

[00:39:47] It's weird that he's in a prison, huh?

[00:39:49] I know you're ignoring me.

[00:39:50] I don't know if you think I'm ugly and unlovable and stinky like a goblin.

[00:39:55] Or like I'm a princess who you look over at and you go...

[00:39:59] I wonder what thoughts are brewing in her head.

[00:40:01] Seems very deep.

[00:40:02] But, um...

[00:40:04] But I loved you once.

[00:40:07] I made a honeymoon castle for us in Minecraft.

[00:40:09] Do you realize how long that takes?

[00:40:11] And I felt that way until I realized I trust you too much to love you.

[00:40:18] I like being your friend, okay?

[00:40:20] Okay?

[00:40:21] Are you happy?

[00:40:22] You dumb idiot!

[00:40:23] You bimbo fool!

[00:40:25] I care about you having a warm blanket and chicken noodle soup and a stuffed animal to hug!

[00:40:30] And this is bad for my health!

[00:40:33] You're gonna incapacitate me!

[00:40:35] You have to get out of this!

[00:40:36] You have to fight for this!

[00:40:38] They're going to think you killed Alaska!

[00:40:40] So you need to fight for your freedom or else they're going to think you did it!

[00:40:45] Because they don't see in you what I see in you, which is that you're kind!

[00:40:49] And you're such a good friend!

[00:40:51] And you're really good at doing my makeup!

[00:41:03] Hey, Mom!

[00:41:05] How many saps does it take to screw in a light bulb?

[00:41:09] I'm in a holding cell!

[00:41:12] And you won't even leave me alone!

[00:41:15] You don't want to know the punchline?

[00:41:16] You're lucky we're being photographed by the security thing!

[00:41:21] Ask how many?

[00:41:23] How many?

[00:41:26] Emma Wooten!

[00:41:28] I don't get it!

[00:41:30] Yeah!

[00:41:32] Everything's just a joke for an audience you can't see!

[00:41:36] I take my bow!

[00:41:38] Good night, everyone!

[00:41:42] Good night!

[00:41:46] And Emma's video ends!

[00:41:53] Are you okay?

[00:41:57] Yes!

[00:41:58] But Logan's not!

[00:41:59] He needs to go home!

[00:42:01] But you're gonna get him out!

[00:42:03] I know!

[00:42:04] You're gonna get him out!

[00:42:05] So...

[00:42:05] You still don't think it's...

[00:42:07] Jeremy?

[00:42:07] Uh...

[00:42:08] Logan?

[00:42:09] No!

[00:42:11] Everybody knows it's not really him!

[00:42:13] It's just the stupid police!

[00:42:15] And...

[00:42:16] And...

[00:42:17] And...

[00:42:17] And...

[00:42:17] Why do you think...

[00:42:18] How do you know it's not him?

[00:42:21] Because...

[00:42:22] Nobody feels sorry for him!

[00:42:25] He's gone through so much!

[00:42:28] And...

[00:42:28] And...

[00:42:29] Nobody cares!

[00:42:30] When he gets hurt!

[00:42:32] Somebody needs to pity him!

[00:42:35] Who else is gonna do it?

[00:42:37] One more time, I meet with Boo!

[00:42:41] It's ramen this time!

[00:42:42] But I couldn't find the spicy one!

[00:42:44] Oh!

[00:42:44] Yeah!

[00:42:45] Please!

[00:42:46] Gorge me!

[00:42:47] You think I'm unsatisfied with...

[00:42:49] Police fruit juice?

[00:42:50] And the...

[00:42:51] The little cups of Goldfish crackers?

[00:42:53] You think I don't like the rainbow ones?

[00:42:55] That nobody likes?

[00:42:57] Fine!

[00:42:57] More ramen for me, then!

[00:42:59] Don't eat in front of me!

[00:43:01] I don't think it's Jeremy!

[00:43:03] Why?

[00:43:05] Why do you think it's him?

[00:43:07] Uh...

[00:43:07] Do you want me to explain my whole reasoning?

[00:43:09] Yes!

[00:43:11] Logan's been mentally broken for all of his life!

[00:43:14] He compensates by trying to steal the kind of power over people Alaska had!

[00:43:18] Alaska was popular!

[00:43:20] Right?

[00:43:21] And Logan also mentioned that Alaska fucked his girlfriend!

[00:43:24] Which is another chip in the inferiority complex!

[00:43:27] Logan wanted to replace Alaska!

[00:43:30] I think he tricked someone into killing him!

[00:43:33] Someone else!

[00:43:34] Which Joe might not pick up on when Logan says he didn't kill Alaska!

[00:43:43] Except my dead fucking family member in his house!

[00:43:48] How was he replacing Alaska?

[00:43:50] It's symbolic!

[00:43:53] So he wanted to replace Alaska so much that he turned Alaska into a mannequin!

[00:43:58] No!

[00:43:59] He made Alaska powerless!

[00:44:02] Posing him to hang clothes on him is an unimaginable, sadistic, evil fucking insult!

[00:44:10] By the way, it's kind of stunning that you're a detective and you can't even understand people!

[00:44:15] Try a different line of work!

[00:44:16] It wasn't me!

[00:44:17] Jeremy!

[00:44:18] Ugh!

[00:44:20] Tell me what you've learned!

[00:44:21] I had a hunch!

[00:44:22] I ignore my gut!

[00:44:23] But!

[00:44:24] I got a voicemail!

[00:44:25] The voicemail I'm talking about came in just that morning!

[00:44:29] I used to get a lot of voicemails like this!

[00:44:32] But after a long pause...

[00:44:34] I got another!

[00:44:35] Pain begets joy!

[00:44:37] Fear begets boy!

[00:44:38] Detective!

[00:44:39] There are more killers than you know than you realize!

[00:44:43] I know who sent this!

[00:44:45] There's a clacking sound in there!

[00:44:47] Did you hear that?

[00:44:48] You know what it is?

[00:44:49] Oh!

[00:44:51] It's your ego!

[00:44:52] What does that mean?

[00:44:54] I don't know!

[00:44:54] It's the sound of something metal on a keyboard!

[00:44:57] Like, uh...

[00:44:58] I can still feel my hand!

[00:45:00] Uh, you know, phantom sensations!

[00:45:02] Like Bobby's prosthetic hand!

[00:45:05] Ah!

[00:45:06] You asked me who was my prime suspect!

[00:45:09] It's Bobby!

[00:45:11] This isn't the first voicemail I've gotten!

[00:45:14] From the very beginning, I've been getting voicemails from someone who's been threatening me to drop the case or to hurt my family!

[00:45:21] And now, we have evidence that Bobby's been leaving these voicemails!

[00:45:27] I don't consider him guilty!

[00:45:29] I just consider him worthy of investigation!

[00:45:32] To prove or disprove that he's the killer, it's hard to believe Bobby is...

[00:45:38] He's gentle half of the time!

[00:45:40] But there's a much...

[00:45:42] Darker side to him!

[00:45:43] I've seen glimpses of it!

[00:45:45] N-no, no, no!

[00:45:46] Don't-no!

[00:45:47] Do not tell me!

[00:45:48] Don't sh-

[00:45:49] Just shut up!

[00:45:51] It's a memory!

[00:45:52] It is eating me alive!

[00:45:55] It'll kill me!

[00:45:57] And the killer should have a split across their hand from handling a bad knife.

[00:46:01] Then there's a split hand.

[00:46:02] What about it?

[00:46:03] There's only one person who could have split their hand open, and we'd never know about it.

[00:46:08] Because he's disabled?

[00:46:10] Because he lost his hand that night!

[00:46:13] Bobby's hand was cut off that night.

[00:46:15] Meaning, the evidence is...

[00:46:18] I've known that...

[00:46:21] But I didn't want to admit it.

[00:46:23] I still don't want to believe it.

[00:46:26] And I'm not biased, because...

[00:46:28] Because this is exactly...

[00:46:30] This is someone I've worked with!

[00:46:32] I would be biased towards him, not against him.

[00:46:35] Sorry, it's just...

[00:46:37] Your brain is cockataw.

[00:46:38] Bobby runs an ARG.

[00:46:40] ARG stands for Alternate Reality Game.

[00:46:43] It's fiction.

[00:46:44] I didn't know about this.

[00:46:51] An ARG.

[00:46:52] It's like this internet game, and it's art!

[00:46:56] Voice in the voicemail is the same one he uses for his ARG.

[00:46:59] Why?

[00:47:00] Why?

[00:47:01] Why would he do that?

[00:47:03] It's kind of crazy, and it's weird, but...

[00:47:06] It's just a hobby.

[00:47:08] Tell him to stop confusing you.

[00:47:10] So what, you're saying this is fiction?

[00:47:12] Yes.

[00:47:14] No, it's not.

[00:47:15] Yes, it is!

[00:47:16] But that doesn't make sense.

[00:47:21] It talks about killers.

[00:47:23] This is relevant!

[00:47:25] Oof, are you angry?

[00:47:27] He's talking about killers.

[00:47:29] He's threatening to kill me!

[00:47:31] No, he's not!

[00:47:33] He's talking about his ARG.

[00:47:35] Half of the characters are ghosts because they murder each other.

[00:47:39] Some of them become upgraded ghosts when a ghost murders another ghost.

[00:47:43] Then that ghost goes on a murder rampage, and the ghost that...

[00:47:47] Wait, the ghost that ghosts kills also goes on a murder rampage.

[00:47:53] So that's not...

[00:47:55] Normal!

[00:47:56] It's not.

[00:47:58] But people like what they like.

[00:48:00] He's quirky and harmless.

[00:48:02] It's disturbing.

[00:48:05] He...

[00:48:05] He stabbed Logan in the arm.

[00:48:08] He's sending me threatening voicemails that are clearly related to the case.

[00:48:13] So, it's your judgment that Bobby attacked Logan unprovoked?

[00:48:18] Yes.

[00:48:18] Yes!

[00:48:19] Because there's no proof otherwise.

[00:48:23] Oh.

[00:48:25] It's okay, Denver.

[00:48:26] When you lose, I win.

[00:48:29] So I'll let you lose.

[00:48:30] I'm not biased.

[00:48:32] You're biased!

[00:48:33] I'm biased.

[00:48:35] Yes!

[00:48:36] For picking Logan?

[00:48:38] You can't tell the difference between someone who hurts and someone who's hurt!

[00:48:43] That is not what biased means.

[00:48:45] Why would that...

[00:48:48] I respect your opinion.

[00:48:52] You're cute when you lie.

[00:48:57] Put out your hand.

[00:49:00] Too trusting.

[00:49:02] How did you know I'd shake your hand?

[00:49:05] I did.

[00:49:07] How'd you know?

[00:49:10] Um...

[00:49:11] Let's reaffirm our vows.

[00:49:13] Hmm?

[00:49:14] I solemnly swear to solve this mystery before you do.

[00:49:21] I'll do the same.

[00:49:23] Now let's go back to being strangers.

[00:49:27] I stare at my hand.

[00:49:30] Addict's gone.

[00:49:32] He's already out the door.

[00:49:38] Think it's Jeremy.

[00:49:42] I don't mean to have led you on by suspecting him at first.

[00:49:48] Emma inspired me.

[00:49:49] I don't know.

[00:49:51] He just looks more like a hurt dog to me.

[00:49:56] I think more clearly when I act like a kid.

[00:49:58] This morning I wrote an apology to Jeremy and folded it into a paper plane.

[00:50:04] I flew it around the room a few times.

[00:50:06] And into the waste bin on the fourth flight.

[00:50:09] Jeremy, if...

[00:50:09] If you killed Alaska then I'm an idiot after all.

[00:50:14] The problem was always bias.

[00:50:17] And to Bobby...

[00:50:22] If I am...

[00:50:25] Then I apologize to you.

[00:50:30] Joe, I'm home.

[00:50:34] Aren't you always in the bathroom?

[00:50:42] Set some stuff on fire in the sink.

[00:50:45] You have a lighter?

[00:50:46] A third one.

[00:50:47] Yeah, it's in my sock.

[00:50:48] It takes like 20 minutes to take it out with the handcuffs on and stuff.

[00:50:51] If you wanna...

[00:50:53] Jesus, fuck me.

[00:50:55] Just don't kick me.

[00:50:59] Boo said hello.

[00:51:01] Finally told him you're here.

[00:51:03] Can I...

[00:51:04] Um...

[00:51:05] Can I meet him?

[00:51:07] Um...

[00:51:07] When you show that you're stable enough you can meet Boo and all the outsiders.

[00:51:13] And...

[00:51:14] If you wanna keep your cool right now then that's one point towards you meeting Boo again.

[00:51:20] Right.

[00:51:21] Okay.

[00:51:22] That's okay.

[00:51:23] I'll just...

[00:51:24] I'll just be alone for a little while and...

[00:51:28] But...

[00:51:28] You know, you've had a lot of progress recently and for being so helpful today.

[00:51:33] I think you deserve a reward.

[00:51:36] There is...

[00:51:37] Someone.

[00:51:38] I'll let you see.

[00:51:41] In...

[00:51:42] Your room?

[00:51:44] And he enters.

[00:51:49] No!

[00:52:18] About this case.

[00:52:19] And a lot to process about my week.

[00:52:21] But...

[00:52:22] I'm gonna leave the processing for tomorrow.

[00:52:25] Because I deserve a reward too.

[00:52:28] Joe, how would you like to get absolutely fucking blasted on tequila?

[00:52:38] Go Milton!

[00:52:39] Go Milton!

[00:52:40] Go Milton!

[00:52:41] Fuck it up!

[00:52:41] Fuck it up!

[00:52:43] Fuck it up!

[00:52:43] Little kitty!

[00:52:44] Little kitty!

[00:52:45] Little baby!

[00:52:46] Little cat!

[00:52:47] Go Kittie!

[00:52:47] Go Milton!

[00:52:47] Go Milton!

[00:52:49] Go Milton!

[00:52:49] Go Milton!

[00:52:51] Go Milton!

[00:52:51] Fuck it up!

[00:52:51] Go Milton!

[00:52:52] Go Milton!

[00:52:53] Go Milton!

[00:52:54] Perrrr!

[00:52:55] Go Milton!

[00:52:56] Go Milton!

[00:52:56] Go Milton!

[00:52:57] Go Milton!

[00:52:58] Go Milton!

[00:52:59] Go Milton!

[00:52:59] little body. Who Killed Alaska is a show produced by the Ghost Factory. Hi, my name is Cameron

[00:53:18] LeBrun. I am the writer, director, and head of this project, and I'm here to read you the credits.

[00:53:23] This script was edited by Katrina Clairvoyant. The music for this episode was by me. Guitar

[00:53:30] for the soundtrack was played by Thoris Bieler and Andre LeBrun. The sound design for this episode

[00:53:37] was by Ramiro Sambueza, Fletcher Gatti, David Geier, and Andres Buitrago. The Vixen Master was

[00:53:44] done by Matthew Kiong. Our cover art, which you're looking at right now, was done by Bellowen Lock

[00:53:50] Reinhardt and Dorito Falls. Emma Wooten is played by Liz Mina. Logan Goldberg is played by Trent

[00:53:56] Trachtenberg. Joe Magaro is played by Sally Roberts. Boo Curtis is played by Alex Redd. Finn Denver is

[00:54:06] played by Joseph Katembo. Caitlin Goldberg is played by Sharon DeFronzo. Amelia Curtis,

[00:54:14] the mother of Alaskan Boo, was played by Abigail Hallett. The mortician was played by Rachel

[00:54:20] Shimabukuro. The officer was played by Denise Johnson. Big thank you to our patrons. Jupiter Defense

[00:54:29] Squad, Grinley Spa, CJ Taylor Caldwell, Bina, Katrina Redman, Nicole Collard, Shep, Criminal Frog, Ash,

[00:54:41] Shoshi, Misha Warlock, Sarah, Lucas King, August Ewer, Emma, Kelly Brennan, Bouncy, William Malter,

[00:54:52] Murrican Pie, Happy Dragon, Livin' Luxuriously Selena, and Mic Drop. Thank you so much. It might be a minute

[00:55:01] before we announce when episode 24 is coming out. Should be soon. Should be really soon. But definitely

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